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		<title>By: Kris</title>
		<link>http://blog.blithewold.org/editorial/can-of-worms/comment-page-1/#comment-1242</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susan, You are taking the words right out of my mouth - though I haven&#039;t finished doing my homework on the subject yet!  I do plan on getting into the topic of planting with natives - I learned something at RINLA that astonished me though it won&#039;t be news to you.  And when I do post (probably in February as people are putting in their plant orders), I&#039;ll link back to this discussion - and hope you join in again.  You touched a chord with &quot;as much as I love lavenders...&quot; Relocating to the Canary Islands is one option for me I suppose...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan, You are taking the words right out of my mouth &#8211; though I haven&#8217;t finished doing my homework on the subject yet!  I do plan on getting into the topic of planting with natives &#8211; I learned something at RINLA that astonished me though it won&#8217;t be news to you.  And when I do post (probably in February as people are putting in their plant orders), I&#8217;ll link back to this discussion &#8211; and hope you join in again.  You touched a chord with &#8220;as much as I love lavenders&#8230;&#8221; Relocating to the Canary Islands is one option for me I suppose&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Sims</title>
		<link>http://blog.blithewold.org/editorial/can-of-worms/comment-page-1/#comment-1240</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Sims</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, with globalization, things now move around more than every before, but there&#039;s a difference between a sea urchin from China hitching a ride on a container ship and someone deliberately introducing, oh say, a bag of Asian ladybugs in their backyard because they are more voracious than their American counterparts.

I agree that there is a place for exotics, but are there natives in our gardens too? &quot;Right plant right location&quot; should mean more though than planting a rose bush in a sunny spot. Many of our natives are being improved right now, baptisia and echinacea being prominent stand-outs, and that is a very encouraging step in the right direction. As gardeners we need to look to the plants in our region. As much as I love lavenders, I try to use agastaches and penstemons because when I hike into the mountains, that&#039;s what I will find, not to mention that the native penstemons of the West are incredible. 

We need to not just consider plants because they will do well in our environment--that&#039;s the English approach--but choose plants from our environment. The English neglected their own native plants at the expense of foreign introductions to such a degree that their native plant heritage is virtually lost. Twenty years ago the idea of this happening in North America seemed unfathomable, but the rate at which we are losing our open spaces to climate change and encroaching populations, as gardeners we need to preserve our native plant species. As Al says, it&#039;s a moral issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, with globalization, things now move around more than every before, but there&#8217;s a difference between a sea urchin from China hitching a ride on a container ship and someone deliberately introducing, oh say, a bag of Asian ladybugs in their backyard because they are more voracious than their American counterparts.</p>
<p>I agree that there is a place for exotics, but are there natives in our gardens too? &#8220;Right plant right location&#8221; should mean more though than planting a rose bush in a sunny spot. Many of our natives are being improved right now, baptisia and echinacea being prominent stand-outs, and that is a very encouraging step in the right direction. As gardeners we need to look to the plants in our region. As much as I love lavenders, I try to use agastaches and penstemons because when I hike into the mountains, that&#8217;s what I will find, not to mention that the native penstemons of the West are incredible. </p>
<p>We need to not just consider plants because they will do well in our environment&#8211;that&#8217;s the English approach&#8211;but choose plants from our environment. The English neglected their own native plants at the expense of foreign introductions to such a degree that their native plant heritage is virtually lost. Twenty years ago the idea of this happening in North America seemed unfathomable, but the rate at which we are losing our open spaces to climate change and encroaching populations, as gardeners we need to preserve our native plant species. As Al says, it&#8217;s a moral issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
		<link>http://blog.blithewold.org/editorial/can-of-worms/comment-page-1/#comment-1236</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susan, Rant away!  I was hoping you&#039;d chime in on this.  Thank you for passing along the National Geographic article.  (I found it here: http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0705/feature1/index.html)  It would appear that anytime we move around in the world we bring something potentially unwelcome with us.  I think for better or worse we&#039;re stuck with the worms and a global ecology.  Although I learned more about the reasons for planting natives (and plan on reading up and writing about what I learned) I would have a hard time giving up some of our exotics.  I do think we should keep a vigilant eye on them and I&#039;ll take your advice as a reminder to be a good plant and placement matchmaker.  If the right plant is in the right location, we shouldn&#039;t have to do much to help both plant and location thrive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan, Rant away!  I was hoping you&#8217;d chime in on this.  Thank you for passing along the National Geographic article.  (I found it here: <a href="http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0705/feature1/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0705/feature1/index.html</a>)  It would appear that anytime we move around in the world we bring something potentially unwelcome with us.  I think for better or worse we&#8217;re stuck with the worms and a global ecology.  Although I learned more about the reasons for planting natives (and plan on reading up and writing about what I learned) I would have a hard time giving up some of our exotics.  I do think we should keep a vigilant eye on them and I&#8217;ll take your advice as a reminder to be a good plant and placement matchmaker.  If the right plant is in the right location, we shouldn&#8217;t have to do much to help both plant and location thrive.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Sims</title>
		<link>http://blog.blithewold.org/editorial/can-of-worms/comment-page-1/#comment-1234</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Sims</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>National Geographic did a spot on this subject this year. Check out the article on the Jamestown Indians and how the Europeans changed the ecology of the east coast within weeks. As I remember, the European worms got here in the soil the ships used as ballast; they unloaded the worm-laden foreign soil as they added goods to ship back to Europe. The worms proliferated on the mounds of leaf litter in the Virginia forests that would have been several feet thick in places.

As for soil ecology, really we&#039;re only beginning to understand how it works. The organic movement has made us more aware of this, and it is doing wonders to revolutionize the way we think about agriculture but it has had the downside of introducing several questionable practices like promoting vermiculture. The practice is commendable, but it poses the risk of introducing a foreign worm--the red worm into an non-native environment. Is this any different than what the Jamestown settlers did when they unloaded their worm-laden ballast? Worms aren&#039;t the only source of controversy--the popular addition of commercial mycorrhize could potentially have problems. Like the yeast bacteria that makes sourdough, every region has its native mycorrhize in the soils already. By adding commercial mycorrhize to the soil, you are introduce yet another non-native species. What kind of effect it will have on native populations isn&#039;t certain, as it&#039;s a newer practice.

Personally, rather than second guessing ourselves in the garden, I think the best solution for any kind of conservation is to use what you&#039;ve got and plant native/indigenous plants, a philosophy I&#039;ve had to embrace even more now that I&#039;ve moved into the western U.S.

Wow, this is long and rant-ish. Sorry!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>National Geographic did a spot on this subject this year. Check out the article on the Jamestown Indians and how the Europeans changed the ecology of the east coast within weeks. As I remember, the European worms got here in the soil the ships used as ballast; they unloaded the worm-laden foreign soil as they added goods to ship back to Europe. The worms proliferated on the mounds of leaf litter in the Virginia forests that would have been several feet thick in places.</p>
<p>As for soil ecology, really we&#8217;re only beginning to understand how it works. The organic movement has made us more aware of this, and it is doing wonders to revolutionize the way we think about agriculture but it has had the downside of introducing several questionable practices like promoting vermiculture. The practice is commendable, but it poses the risk of introducing a foreign worm&#8211;the red worm into an non-native environment. Is this any different than what the Jamestown settlers did when they unloaded their worm-laden ballast? Worms aren&#8217;t the only source of controversy&#8211;the popular addition of commercial mycorrhize could potentially have problems. Like the yeast bacteria that makes sourdough, every region has its native mycorrhize in the soils already. By adding commercial mycorrhize to the soil, you are introduce yet another non-native species. What kind of effect it will have on native populations isn&#8217;t certain, as it&#8217;s a newer practice.</p>
<p>Personally, rather than second guessing ourselves in the garden, I think the best solution for any kind of conservation is to use what you&#8217;ve got and plant native/indigenous plants, a philosophy I&#8217;ve had to embrace even more now that I&#8217;ve moved into the western U.S.</p>
<p>Wow, this is long and rant-ish. Sorry!</p>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
		<link>http://blog.blithewold.org/editorial/can-of-worms/comment-page-1/#comment-1197</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. McG&#039;s D, The prairies just don&#039;t get a break do they?  I didn&#039;t realize they were having worm problems.  But then again worm problems in general are pretty new to me! I think sometimes even if we practice moderation, life (worms too) can get away from us especially if we&#039;re not paying attention.  I&#039;m going to start paying more attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. McG&#8217;s D, The prairies just don&#8217;t get a break do they?  I didn&#8217;t realize they were having worm problems.  But then again worm problems in general are pretty new to me! I think sometimes even if we practice moderation, life (worms too) can get away from us especially if we&#8217;re not paying attention.  I&#8217;m going to start paying more attention.</p>
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